On 21/07/14, fz wrote: > I'm not sure what you think you're getting with the listed distros that > you wouldn't get with either Debian or Devuan. In terms of nearly zero > (five-nines/99999) uptime, they are all equivalent, given that they are > configured similarly. Also, I barely see the benefits of using > opensource if you're using Redhat (IBM) or derivatives, or Oracle, two > of the worst serial offenders of vendor lock-in. IBM invented it. (side > note: I rebooted one of my laptops, the browser was a bit sluggish. It > had been up for 101 days, that one has Ubuntu20 on it. As much as I've > moved away from Ubuntu, that's a decent amount of uptime without any > issues, ie. quite reliable, imo. Also, I have several servers in the > cloud running ubuntu20 and their uptime is comparable. I only reboot for > convenience while testing.) I used to run Ubuntu on multiple laptops and desktops. I won't touch it anymore since they managed to break things on two reasonably standard desktop hardware a decade ago where Debian didn't even blink, and, I don't trust Shuttleworth. ... > Oracle? look what they did to ... everything they touch. Rocky V1. You > want V1 for a production datacentre? Ubuntu? A fatter slower version of > Debian. Can't see any advantage whatsoever to Ubuntu. Redhat is IBM. RedHat is still independent of IBM. I'll let you know when that changes since I actually work there. The CentOS hot mess was an internal job that started in 2014 long before IBM had any influence. I run RHEL on $work workstation, and fedora on $work laptop and am satisfied running it also on the laptops of the other three family members. > They already ruined it with proprietary ways of doing everything. They haven't touched it. I agree IBM has a track record of ruining many things, but so far they seem to have managed to keep their hands off this one. > Imo, Debian is your worst case scenario. Which is not too bad. It is > arguably THE root distro, it is known for stability and has all userland > software. I'm still going to say if you're not straying much from the > LEMP stack, then Devuan is your best choice. I'm still on Debian but am seriously considering moving to Devuan due to systemd. I run stable on personal servers and testing on desktop. > because: > > least amount of moving parts ... compare output of ps aux to any other > distro > > no vendor lock-in... it's Debian, same userland, with a lighter init system > > stability: its Debian. > > > Interested to hear any counterarguments. Usually, your/my choices has to > do with what you already know ( and therefore) like, and I'm completely > guilty of this,and what will take the least amount of your effort to get > off the ground. So I'm guessing you'll go with ..... hmmm.... Rocky. :-) There are a number of options for RHEL for community and development now, but if none of those scenarios fits, then Rocky. > On 2021-07-14 12:25 p.m., Alan McKay wrote: > > Just to circle back - not sure if any of those are alternatives to > > CentOS that would be considered Enterprise Grade > > > > What would I choose for a zero-downtime production datacenter and why? > > > > And why is CentOS stream no longer Enterprise Grade? > > > > I'll leave those questions floating for a bit before I provide my own answers. > > > > For me the alternatives are : > > - RHEL > > - Oracle > > - Rocky > > - Alma (I think I have that right) > > - Ubuntu > > > > and I think that's it slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\ -- ~\ <hpv.tricolour.ca> <www.TriColour.ca> -- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- <greenparty.ca>_____GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)________(*)(*)_________________ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscribe [ at ] linux-ottawa [ dot ] org To get help send a blank message to linux+help [ at ] linux-ottawa [ dot ] org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org