FWIW, I MX/Antix also avoid systemd. > MX Linux ships with systemd present but disabled by default. The MX Linux team strongly urges users to remain with this configuration which uses sysvinit instead. This page simply provides information for those interested in the question. JN On 2021-07-14 11:16 a.m., fz wrote: > Hey, I'm a serial lurker on OCLUG or whatever it's called these days. > > I recently climbed out from under systemd and have found Devuan to be the current sweet spot for people who like > autonomy, yet have access to the large GNU ecosystem. I'm talking server side, but I know a guy running it on the > desktop too. It's basically Debian, without systemd. (install Debian, then run a few scripts, found on the Devuan.org > website, which rip out systemd and put in eudev. Then point to the Devuan repositories and install whatever). > > I used to run Ubuntu everywhere/desktop/server, I'm an applications programmer, but then for various reasons got my > fingers into more system level activities and realized the hot mess of systemd was blocking me, and nearly > incomprehensible, closely followed by all the rest of the commercialization of Ubuntu. So I moved to Debian, then on my > friend's suggestion tried Devuan, to find it highly compatible, but I still had my hands on the steering wheel to do > what I wanted. > > Currently I'm configuring a webserver with nginx/maria/php etc all the open/non proprietary stuff on Devuan in the cloud > (digital ocean) and ... it works. Just compare a list of running services on whatever you're using to Devuan, and draw > your own conclusions. > > Imho, you get all the benefits without all the strings attached of the big players deciding what you need and how you > should use it. I've used CentOS before to setup an IBM qRadar installation, and ... it was nightmarish, just like all > things IBM. Again, IMHO, if you don't really NEED the compatibility to, who knows what, your clients, or your own legacy > data/systems, why would you want all the bloat and worse, the uncertainty that IBM, Poettering, or others just decide to > go a new horrible commercial way next year? Gnome 3 anyone? Did anyone really want systemd? > > It's happening a lot lately. > > > On 2021-07-14 10:49 a.m., Michael P. Soulier wrote: >> Debian works fine for me. :) >> >> Mike >> >> On 2021-07-14 10:19 a.m., Alan McKay wrote: >>> Picking up this old thread ... was just looking at a bunch of things >>> and as much as I dislike Oracle (and what they did to Sun) I have to >>> say this is a pretty compelling story for anyone looking for an >>> alternative to CentOS now that "Stream" has been announced >>> >>> https://linux.oracle.com/switch/centos/ >>> >>> >> >> To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscribe [ at ] linux-ottawa [ dot ] org >> To get help send a blank message to linux+help [ at ] linux-ottawa [ dot ] org >> To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org >> > > To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscribe [ at ] linux-ottawa [ dot ] org > To get help send a blank message to linux+help [ at ] linux-ottawa [ dot ] org > To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org > To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscribe [ at ] linux-ottawa [ dot ] org To get help send a blank message to linux+help [ at ] linux-ottawa [ dot ] org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org