> I'm not sure what you think you're getting with the listed distros that > you wouldn't get with either Debian or Devuan What do you think is the definition of "Enterprise Grade" - hint high uptime is exactly the opposite unless you are running a live-patch OS > opensource if you're using Redhat (IBM) or derivatives, or Oracle, two > of the worst serial offenders of vendor lock-in. That sounds like religious talk - and really should have no place in sound decision making. I already started this thread by stating how much I dislike Oracle, but I'll still consider them if they are the right choice. You are right IBM killed CentOS and that is driving a lot of people away. But why? What did they do? They removed the "Enterprise Grade" from it. But what is that? Well for me there are a couple of major factors in that term: - it should undergo EXTENSIVE QA - so immediately any of the compile-your-own options are gone - it should code-freeze on what was QA'ed and only allow changes into the code in a controlled (and QA'ed) fashion (there goes Fedora, not familiar enough with Debian but guessing they are gone too). This is what RHEL and Ubuntu (LTS) do. It may be great that upstream is adding code every week but if you don't need any of that you are taking a huge risk by allowing it into production. - it should provide important security and stability patches at a priority You are right to look at what is running be default - but that is only by default and most of it can and should be turned off. Anything you don't need or use should be off and ideally not even installed. Every extra package, every extra daemon is a risk. Every change is a risk, so frequent code changes like with Fedora are very risky. Zero downtime datacenter does not mean high uptime on individual VMs. Patching needs to be done at very least monthly but not will-nilly. As mentioned, new features for the sake of new features (that you don't need) are risky. There is even a strong argument not to have high uptime from the point of view of ensuring everything comes up correctly when a reboot does occur. Did someone make a tweak they forgot to make permanent? Yes vendor lock-in can be an issue. But realistically most Linux distros are interchangable with each other. And most Red Hat based distros are interchangable almost seamlessly with little to no work in the supporting orchestration code. High uptime means no patching (unless running a live patch OS like Oracle) No patching is extremely risky. Anyway just my thoughts. Still going to take a very close look at Oracle. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscribe [ at ] linux-ottawa [ dot ] org To get help send a blank message to linux+help [ at ] linux-ottawa [ dot ] org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org