On Wed, 20 Sep 2017, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > On 2017-09-20 07:17, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2017, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2017, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > > > > On 2017-09-20 04:09, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > > > in short, at least for this camera, i absolutely require an > > > > > android or iphone with the d-link app for the initial > > > > > configuration, which is kind of a pain, unless i have this > > > > > completely wrong. > > > > > > > > This would surprise me and I'd take it back if that were the case, > > > > but it is possible that there is no other way to configure it. > > > > > > given that you mentioned the lumenera cameras, how would those be > > > any different? i looked at one here: > > > > > > http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Lumenera-Le165CP-1-4-MP-Progressive-Scan-HAD-CCD-Network-Surveillance-Camera-/201696592058?hash=item2ef60dc0ba:g:tc8AAOSw8w1X4bCe > > > > > > and noticed right away the photo of the back, which shows an > > > ethernet port, so i'm assuming that would allow me to > > > (temporarily) connect to my in-house router and configure the > > > camera, at which point i would want to move it elsewhere and > > > access it via wi-fi -- is that how a camera like that would > > > work? > > These wired network cameras default to DHCP and failing that fall > back to either 192.168.122.1 (or something like that IIRC...) or use > an IPv4 link local address (169.<mumble>?) which pretends to be > random with OUI or something like that to bootstrap. It is harder > to expose a new device to a trusted open wifi network than to a > trusted wired network for initial bootstrapping. not being an expert on security cameras, i am now simply assuming the really inexpensive, small form factor units simply don't have the real estate to support an ethernet port, so have to resort to something else, as we are now discovering. > So, there's a bit of a chicken and egg problem here. Most wifi networks > require authentication now (or should!). If your camera doesn't have a wired > ethernet port that you can connect to a trusted network to do the initial > configuration, how do you do that bootstrapping? It looks like they've turned > it around so that you authenticate to it first so it is acting as a server for > you to connect to it, then configure it to switch from AP mode to managed mode > whereupon it can now connect to your secured wifi network with credentials you > provide. that's the only scenario that makes sense at this point. upon further examination, i did notice a tiny "WPS" button on the back of the camera, which supports something called "zero configuration", which involves: Step 1: Attach the power supply to the power input on the DCS-936L and connect it to a wall outlet or power strip. Power is confirmed when the Status LED is lit. Step 2: Press and hold the WPS button on the camera for five seconds. The Status LED will start to blink green. Then, press the WPS button on your router within two minutes. Your router will automatically assign your network settings to your camera. Step 3: From any computer, open a web browser, go to http://www.mydlink.com and log into your account. Once mydlink detects your camera, a New Device Found! notice will appear in the bottom right corner. Click on the camera from the New Devices list and then click Yes to add your camera. Your setup is complete. however, the user manual is adamant that this only works with a registered d-link cloud router and an active "mydlink" account, so it doesn't really solve the problem. one suspects i should restrict my search to cameras that have an ethernet port for initial configuration. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday ========================================================================