Then you alienate people in the east end and centretown. Travelling to Algonquin from Gatineau is going to take me ~1 hour, each way, IF I catch my connections. Heading downtown is 25 minutes at most. That's what not to like. On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Jon <je_oclug [ at ] kronos [ dot ] honk [ dot ] org> wrote: > On 21-Mar-12 3:23 PM, Bill Strosberg wrote: > > I have not attended meetings for years - when the meetings moved from > > the Lees Algonquin campus downtown, it became painful enough to not > > bother. Subsequent moves westward were just as bad for me. There have > > been many meeting topics that were interesting, but not enough to > > commute in from the far east end where I live. No matter who is happy, > > not everyone will be. > > Moving meetings back east-ward would cause headaches for folks in the > west end. The Algonquin location is a good one - right on the > transitway. Close to 417. What's not to like, other than a few extra > minutes en route? > > > People's value of knowledge is directly proportional to the amount of > > pain it engenders in it's acquisition. > > True. If it's hard to make do what you want, then it's probably not > very good. If the designers put that little thought and effort into the > interface, one must wonder about the quality of the underlying code. > > > From that perspective, most new > > people today just don't value Linux as much as us elder statesmen. I > > gave up long ago trying to explain why Linux is a great choice for many > > real tasks. If people are foolish enough to pay a lot more, get a lot > > less and then depend on companies that make them listen to endlessly > > looping interactive telephone queues in call centers in Asia, that is > > their problem. Perhaps North America's infatuation with avoiding actual > > critical thought in business decisions is part of the reason why their > > kid's better start learning Mandarin to converse with their new > > overlords. > Learning Linux isn't going to change the fact that our critical > infrastructure is being sold off to our chinese overlords. Examine the > track records of current and past Liberal and Conservative governments > if you want to complain about the impending "buyout". Greed in the name > of "shareholder value", speculators and a public interested only in the > lowest price, quality be damned, are the problems. I recently bought a > BBQ. Primary criteria (other than it being a reasonably good unit) was: > Not Made in China. I prefer to keep jobs on this side of the ditch. > > > What is a corporate license of Microsoft > > Office from 2001 worth today? Nothing. > What is a linux disk from 2001 worth? Or a 2001 Dodge Caravan? You got > it, nothing. > > > If the same license acquisition > > value (mulitplied by desktops in service) had been invested in IT > > people, those few IT people could support all the desktops using > > LibreOffice (or whatever the flavour de jour) for a fraction of the > > ongoing expense. Stupid, plain and simple. > > Those IT people would have moved on in late 2001 or 2002, maybe 2003 > when the company went bankrupt and was sold (to chinese "investors"). > Further, those IT people would have been tearing their hair out trying > to get those documents printed (at all, let alone with any form of > pretty - and reliably reproduceable - formatting). Yes, you pay for MS > Office, but OTOH, you truly do get what you pay for in the alternatives. > > Now, I'm not gonna say that the alternatives are better... IMO, all OS's > are flawed. Some just work better for some tasks and do more poorly at > others. As professionals, we need to put personal propaganda aside and > pick the best tool for the task at hand. I stopped preaching years ago > - noone takes evangelists seriously (and all OS's have made significant > improvements over the last few years, anyway) and we all just want to > get our tasks done, have a couple pints and spend time with our families. > > If OCLUG does die out (which will be unfortunate), just do not transfer > any assets to groups in TO (hey, gotta keep the inter-city rivalry > going, yes?) LOL > > _______________________________________________ > Linux mailing list > Linux [ at ] lists [ dot ] oclug [ dot ] on [ dot ] ca > http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux >