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<p>Hi... I've been lurking around OCLUG for .... a while... I will
offer my 2 cents regarding privacy/phones/etc. I'm a medium to
hard core techie and the following opinions are not only mine, but
reflect some of my comrades on slashdot and my immediate circle of
technology gurus. YMMV.<br>
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<p>Since everybody on this thread already has sturdy tinfoil hats,
I'll gloss over the preliminaries.<br>
</p>
<p>1. SERVER. ALL services are only as good as how much you trust
them. How do you think NordVPN and the rest make their money? Do
the VPN services REALLY not keep logs? Trust of internet services
is like religion. There's a lot of faith required.</p>
<p>Therefore, If you are not running your own backend services, you
really cannot say with certainty how private and secure your data
is.</p>
<p>2. CLIENT/APPS. If you want privacy, you CANNOT use apple,
facebook, google, amazon, microsoft, .. they are all raping you of
your data, I don't know which one is the worst. Read "The Age of
Surveillance Capitalism" by Shoshana Zuboff.<br>
</p>
<p>2. BLINGINESS. Having privacy and security means you will not be
running the latest shiny object. <br>
</p>
<p>If you think you can have privacy and still use Google,
Microsoft, etc, stop reading now.</p>
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</p>
<p>What I recommend, and what I do:</p>
<p>Summary: setup your own client server infrastructure with all
opensource software. Linux, Android, Nextcloud. <br>
</p>
<p>Ask your friends or look in your second desk drawer where you put
all your old phones and get an older Android phone for free. Burn
a custom rom like AEX, LineageOS. Install MicroG which is an
opensource GAPPs replacement. (provides GPS services)</p>
<p>Commission NextCloud on a cheap VPS. Get your restricted set of
apps from APKmirror.com or APKPure.com, etc. and upload them to
your cloud storage. Install apps directly from your own
repository.<br>
</p>
<p>Configure your client phone to talk to your services.<br>
</p>
<p>DONE. <br>
</p>
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<p>Most people hate this because 1. you are not stylish, 2. you
can't communicate with your friends on social media, 3. Your phone
doesn't look the same as it did when you ran vanilla commercial
offerings, whatever bundles you get from Bell, Rogers, etc.<br>
</p>
<p>You can't have your cake and eat it too, as they say. If you use
Facebook, Google, Amazon, Microsoft.... and every other commercial
service available... then you will not have privacy. That is a
fact of life.</p>
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<p>Me? I don't live under a rock. I have social media accounts, etc.
I read other sysops and so on, and Snowden summarized what we are
thinking: You cannot fully escape online surveillance if you are a
participant in modern society. The answer is to think in terms of
"personas". Get a second phone. One phone is the private and
secure one, for you to do your nefarious things on. The second one
is your public persona for you to make a fool of yourself online.
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<p>If anybody cares to pursue this, I might be persuaded to offer
more specs. Also, Ha ha, what a surprise... I might also be
persuaded to set this up for you as a service. </p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Franz.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/27/21 8:50 AM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rob [ at ] echlin [ dot ] ca">rob [ at ] echlin [ dot ] ca</a>
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<div dir="auto">$799 USD for the base phoe</div>
<div dir="auto">No wireless AC. :-(</div>
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<div dir="auto">On January 23, 2021 00:06:57 "Brenda
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<div dir="auto">Hello Linux hive-mind -</div>
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<div dir="auto">Anyone out there in Linux-land
with experience they are willing to share</div>
<div dir="auto">using a cell phone with good
privacy that doesn't track you?</div>
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<div dir="auto">This request eventually reminded
me about the Purism phone:</div>
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<div dir="auto"><a href="https://puri.sm/";
target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://puri.sm/</a></div>
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<div dir="auto">which purports to be a ground-up
phone OS designed for privacy.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I have not bought it but maybe I
should.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I was under the impression that
the person who started the</div>
<div dir="auto">company was in Toronto but they
are based in the States now.</div>
<div dir="auto">But that is a vague memory and may
be entirely false.</div>
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<div dir="auto">They don't have social media
icons. Their web page (front page)</div>
<div dir="auto">is served from one server
(impressive!). They have a warrant</div>
<div dir="auto">canary page and two people
gpg-sign a message for that page on</div>
<div dir="auto">a monthly basis.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Looks legit.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I'm guessing they are expensive as
they are not subsidized</div>
<div dir="auto">by Big Tech. Haven't seen prices
yet.</div>
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