If you want to remonstrate me personally, please take this off-list, and certainly not Cc the OP who doesn't give a hoot. > I replied to Rob's message before I saw your reply. Fine. My *apologies*. I was quite hasty to reply about a pet peeve. > Given that those two were the only two that actually worked of all the options > I tried, Then conversly, kindly provide your attempts. The D-Link does RTP and RTSP. http://us.dlink.com/products/connect/hd-wi-fi-camera-dcs936l/ http://support.dlink.ca/emulators/dcs930L/100/helpadva.htm HTTP for config. > IIRC, you will have to be a bit more explicit and specific in your criticism > if you want to be taken seriously rather than off-handedly trashing them as > you have done for many other technologies in the past without elaborating, I did, but I am not going to explain every single background concept, and I've already often annoyed other users with TMI. Two, that's not fair, especially for software certain people use and thus like to be defensive and tune out about because they've developed emotional attachments over their long stable lifetimes and have never known better. We are not getting into that debate here, and I recall very specific technical points just being outright ignored. Tools that don't do the job belong in the bitbucket. Developers may deserve respect, but not tools. > assuming that everybody else knows what you are talking about. I already provided a link. I'm not going to repeat a decent third party explanation. If you're not interested, don't read, and *THAT'S FINE*. But I am probably not the only one who is tired of dealing with under-maintained, bug-laden, most likely insecure software... that *still* gets recommended. It only takes one suggestion to drag down a lot of unsuspecting users, most of which who want it to just work and not deal with this mess. > Please educate us rather than effectively making us all feel stupid because we > don't follow your unstated line of reasoning. I did state. Follow the references if you like. No personal attack there, but I was specific about the whole ffmpeg vs libav shebang because some people on this list had the misfortune of being dragged down by those distro politics. They know who they are, and they know how to deal with it, and I am acknowledging them. The rest? They can tune out.