I've recently got cups working with my Epson Stylus C86, but when I went to set up the margins (using alignmargins from www.linuxprinting.org) I was confused by the information about the "clipped edges". First, there's the info about x and y. This made sense to me. I came up with 31/32 for H and 10/32 for V. This gave me x=3 and y=-68. "Let the distance in inches from the left edge of the page to the vertical line be H, and from the bottom edge to the horizontal line be V." x = ((1 - H) * 100) y = ((V - 1) * 100) Fine, measure the distance, crunch a few numbers. "If set correctly the drawn arrows should extend into the papers corners (not the clipping corners). After archieving that, you may continue with the clipping edges." So, I set this and reprinted the doc. The bottom arrows are about right. The top corners are not: they are mostly off the page. That creates a problem when I get to the next part. " . . . [ml mb mr mt] are the distances of the clipped edges of your graphics relative to the papers edges (left bottom right top) measured in 1/72 inches. The wedge shaped rules may be used to define these values very accurately as its intersections are in 1/72 inches. Take the value at the cutoff point from the scale to the next clockwise edge." I have no idea what this means, or how to do it. Every idea I have won't work because some of the needed parts are off of the page on one wedge or another. "Start setting the margin values to all zero to see the natural hardware clipping of your printer. You should then define the margins just as big enough to keep the defined margins within your printers real hardware clipping. This is archieved if you can see the thin line drawn all around your defined margin. In addition the thin drawn arrows are just touching the margin and should be totally visible." So, what am I missing? Any suggestions or hints about where to go from here would be helpful. TIA, -- Jeremy John Wakeman jeremywakeman [ at ] istop [ dot ] com www.polarhome.com/~cael linux registered user #125171