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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Linux Digest, Vol 121, Issue 8

Hi Jeff:

Thanks for posting your configuration.  Where did you buy the components,
what OS did you install and what software did you end up using to create
the firewall rules.

I am glad to hear of a working use case for this system.

Peter

On Wed Jan 07 2015 at 11:56:40 <linux-request [ at ] lists [ dot ] oclug [ dot ] on [ dot ] ca> wrote:

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> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 21:47:17 -0500
> Subject: [OCLUG-Tech] Fwd: Mentors this week
> On Sunday we had Mike Kenzie, Paul Hayes, Jason Butler and myself
> helping with setting up a robot simulation environment for the students
> (Eclipse and Gazebo, running on Ubuntu 14.04). Anyone who is interested
> in providing assistance for this short, intensive project (end of build
> is 11:59PM on February 17th) should get in touch with Adam Drenth.
>
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> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:        Mentors this week
> Date:   Mon, 5 Jan 2015 18:20:42 +0000
> From:   Adam Drenth <adam [ dot ] drenth [ at ] ashbury [ dot ] ca>
> CC:     Katherine Woodward <kat [ dot ] woodward [ at ] ashbury [ dot ] ca>
>
>
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Thanks to those who were able to help us out this weekend with the quick
> build.  We now have a functional robot base. This week we are going to
> be talking about game strategy and discussing potential designs and
> developing prototypes.  Which means they will need A LOT of help
> organizing their thinking as well as developing their ideas.  I am
> hoping that you will be able to help out.
>
> We will be meeting on Wednesday (4-8), Thursday(4-8) and Saturday(10-4)
> this week. Wednesday will focus on developing the best strategy to
> maximize our points.  By Thursday, we will be looking at mechanisms to
> prototype.  I am hoping to have them working in teams to build
> prototypes by Saturday.
>
> Please let me know if you are able to help out and on what days. Forward
> this email to anyone who you know would also like to mentor our team.
> *
> *
> *Additional Information*
> Please make sure you are familiar with the animation and game manual
> found at http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/frc/2015-game
> _
> _
> Thank you,
>
> Adam Drenth
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>
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> To: linux [ at ] lists [ dot ] oclug [ dot ] on [ dot ] ca
> Cc:
> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 09:55:05 -0700
> Subject: [OCLUG-Tech] Firewall - PCEngines
> Thanks to the person who suggested PCEngines.  I wasn't the original
> person asking for advice but after checking them out, I am replacing my
> existing firewall with one of their solutions.  I ended up with the
> following:
>
> APU.1D4 system board 4GB
> Enclosure 3 LAN, red, USB
> AC adapter 12V US plug for IT equipment
> SSD M-Sata 16GB MLC Phison
> Cable I-PEX -> reverse SMA
> Antenna reverse SMA dual band
> Compex WLE200NX miniPCI express card
>
> All in a fanless box smaller than my linksys router.  So freaking
> amazing.
>
>
>
>
> Jeff Green
> Email: mail [ at ] forjeff [ dot ] com
> Blog/Photography/Bio: http://forjeff.com
> Cell/Text: 613.552.2704
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Linux Digest, Vol 121, Issue 7
> > From: linux-request [ at ] lists [ dot ] oclug [ dot ] on [ dot ] ca
> > Date: Tue, January 06, 2015 9:50 am
> > To: linux [ at ] lists [ dot ] oclug [ dot ] on [ dot ] ca
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> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >    1. Re: Opinions requested: LF Good low powered multi-port
> >       gateway/wireless router (Peter Meyer)
> >    2. Re: Opinions requested: LF Good low powered multi-port
> >       gateway/wireless router (Murphy Scott)
> >    3. Low powered firewall (Jeff Green)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 13:51:50 +0000
> > From: Peter Meyer <petermeyer69 [ at ] gmail [ dot ] com>
> > To: Alex Pilon <alp [ at ] alexpilon [ dot ] ca>
> > Cc: linux [ at ] lists [ dot ] oclug [ dot ] on [ dot ] ca
> > Subject: Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Opinions requested: LF Good low powered
> >       multi-port gateway/wireless router
> > Message-ID:
> >       <CAPuTOo1XYMJdiuSOUCzenzk2uoNyWfy0u6HkHtPDzgD_kQXnsw@mail.
> gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Hi Alex:
> >
> > I appreciate your opinions regarding both the hardware and software
> > requirements.  I too wish I could get my hands on a 2-4port SBC.  The
> > utilite tries to play into the set top/nettop market and be more of a
> > general purpose computer.  Their version 2 system, has dropped the second
> > GigE port.  I should perhaps look again at the various routers being
> > mentioned in these forums, I'd be interested in knowing if they have
> unique
> > hardware ports or use software to create virtual LANs.
> >
> > The WLAN-WLAN, WLAN-LAN traffic is something I need to reconsider.  Most
> of
> > my need to create an isolated WLAN has to do with my create a "safe"
> gaming
> > zone for my kid and his friends and still keeping our LAN access tightly
> > controlled/filtered.  I guess if I treat the WLAN as its own zone, then I
> > should think about hardware that would support good WLAN-WLAN traffic.
> > Good point.
> >
> > Thanks!!
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > On Mon Jan 05 2015 at 22:00:57 Alex Pilon <alp [ at ] alexpilon [ dot ] ca> wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 01:52:23PM -0500, Peter Meyer wrote:
> > > > > > Opinions please. I am looking to build/buy something that
> replaces my
> > > > > > existing router/gateway box.
> > > > >
> > > > On Mon Jan 05 2015 at 12:01:11 Alex Pilon <alp [ at ] alexpilon [ dot ] ca> wrote:
> > > > > Why not just stock Linux?
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jan 05, 2015 at 06:33:35PM +0000, Peter Meyer wrote:
> > > > Stock Linux would be my first choice, but I do want a system that
> has a
> > > > power budget of less than 10 Watts. (This is for home use).
> > >
> > > Pardon me, I meant software; not disputing the choice of hardware.
> > >
> > > > The Utilite (http://www.compulab.co.il/utilite-computer/web/utilite-
> > > overview)
> > > > would be my best best in terms of power and has separate GMII ports.
> > >
> > > I've been looking for a solid-cased 2-4 port SBC, *without video*, or
> > > any extraneous components. Too bad the Utilite is just one more such
> > > board.
> > >
> > > > I can't forsee data ever exceeding 30Mb/s (the anticipated limitation
> > > > of DSL in my area).
> > >
> > > No intra-WLAN, or WLAN-LAN traffic? There was another post that
> > > complained about that too. Sure, 802.11 is half-duplex, so you're not
> > > losing any more throughput, but LAN-WLAN traffic will take more of a
> hit
> > > than it ought, being both over the same USB bus.
> > >
> > > > > Use tc (from iproute2) and a few iptables targets used to manage
> Linux
> > > > > QoS.
> > > >
> > > > The QOS is a nice to have. I've been spoiled by the simple interface
> > > > offered by Tomato. I don't know what it does with my QOS classes in
> the
> > > > background.
> > >
> > > LARTC was written a while back, and isn't too bad of an *introduction*
> > > still, as outdated and occasionally faulty as it is. There's also this:
> > >
> > >     http://wiki.linuxwall.info/doku.php/en:ressources:
> > > dossiers:networking:traffic_control
> > >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 09:03:35 -0500
> > From: Murphy Scott <scott [ dot ] murphy [ at ] arrow-eye [ dot ] com>
> > To: Peter Meyer <petermeyer69 [ at ] gmail [ dot ] com>
> > Cc: Users Group Ottawa Linux <linux [ at ] lists [ dot ] oclug [ dot ] on [ dot ] ca>
> > Subject: Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Opinions requested: LF Good low powered
> >       multi-port      gateway/wireless router
> > Message-ID: <2530A4C7-0871-452C-AEE7-AC81C66B9E5B [ at ] arrow-eye [ dot ] com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > I don?t know how robust a machine you are looking for, but the PC
> Engines APU board might be of use. You can run whatever OS you want (x86
> compatible), it has a serial console, no video and a few options for
> storage and three 1GB ethernet ports (Realtek RTL8111E). This is the
> successor to the ALIX series. There are options to add wireless, even 3G
> with a 3G modem and a SIM if you need a backup data channel for something.
> 2GB or 4GB  RAM models are available. This can be turned into a router with
> relative ease, either with custom images or roll your own.
> >
> > http://www.pcengines.ch/apu.htm
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > > On Jan 6, 2015, at 08:51, Peter Meyer <petermeyer69 [ at ] gmail [ dot ] com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Alex:
> > >
> > > I appreciate your opinions regarding both the hardware and software
> > > requirements.  I too wish I could get my hands on a 2-4port SBC.  The
> > > utilite tries to play into the set top/nettop market and be more of a
> > > general purpose computer.  Their version 2 system, has dropped the
> second
> > > GigE port.  I should perhaps look again at the various routers being
> > > mentioned in these forums, I'd be interested in knowing if they have
> unique
> > > hardware ports or use software to create virtual LANs.
> > >
> > > The WLAN-WLAN, WLAN-LAN traffic is something I need to reconsider.
> Most of
> > > my need to create an isolated WLAN has to do with my create a "safe"
> gaming
> > > zone for my kid and his friends and still keeping our LAN access
> tightly
> > > controlled/filtered.  I guess if I treat the WLAN as its own zone,
> then I
> > > should think about hardware that would support good WLAN-WLAN traffic.
> > > Good point.
> > >
> > > Thanks!!
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon Jan 05 2015 at 22:00:57 Alex Pilon <alp [ at ] alexpilon [ dot ] ca> wrote:
> > >
> > >>>> On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 01:52:23PM -0500, Peter Meyer wrote:
> > >>>>> Opinions please. I am looking to build/buy something that replaces
> my
> > >>>>> existing router/gateway box.
> > >>>>
> > >>> On Mon Jan 05 2015 at 12:01:11 Alex Pilon <alp [ at ] alexpilon [ dot ] ca> wrote:
> > >>>> Why not just stock Linux?
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jan 05, 2015 at 06:33:35PM +0000, Peter Meyer wrote:
> > >>> Stock Linux would be my first choice, but I do want a system that
> has a
> > >>> power budget of less than 10 Watts. (This is for home use).
> > >>
> > >> Pardon me, I meant software; not disputing the choice of hardware.
> > >>
> > >>> The Utilite (http://www.compulab.co.il/utilite-computer/web/utilite-
> > >> overview)
> > >>> would be my best best in terms of power and has separate GMII ports.
> > >>
> > >> I've been looking for a solid-cased 2-4 port SBC, *without video*, or
> > >> any extraneous components. Too bad the Utilite is just one more such
> > >> board.
> > >>
> > >>> I can't forsee data ever exceeding 30Mb/s (the anticipated limitation
> > >>> of DSL in my area).
> > >>
> > >> No intra-WLAN, or WLAN-LAN traffic? There was another post that
> > >> complained about that too. Sure, 802.11 is half-duplex, so you're not
> > >> losing any more throughput, but LAN-WLAN traffic will take more of a
> hit
> > >> than it ought, being both over the same USB bus.
> > >>
> > >>>> Use tc (from iproute2) and a few iptables targets used to manage
> Linux
> > >>>> QoS.
> > >>>
> > >>> The QOS is a nice to have. I've been spoiled by the simple interface
> > >>> offered by Tomato. I don't know what it does with my QOS classes in
> the
> > >>> background.
> > >>
> > >> LARTC was written a while back, and isn't too bad of an *introduction*
> > >> still, as outdated and occasionally faulty as it is. There's also
> this:
> > >>
> > >>    http://wiki.linuxwall.info/doku.php/en:ressources:
> > >> dossiers:networking:traffic_control
> > >>
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 07:50:04 -0700
> > From: "Jeff Green" <mail [ at ] forjeff [ dot ] com>
> > To: linux [ at ] lists [ dot ] oclug [ dot ] on [ dot ] ca
> > Subject: [OCLUG-Tech] Low powered firewall
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> >
> > I'm extremely interested in building a low powered firewall as well.  I
> > eventually settled on micro ATX format, intel Atom chip with 2GB ram
> > (fanless)  It's about twice the size of a linksys router and I was able
> > to get a multi ethernet board (5 ports).  I have multiple networks at
> > home.  I settled for pfSense for the firewall application.  I haven't
> > done extensive research from as far as I can tell, you can't add more
> > then 2 RJ45 ports on Raspberry PI (would love to use that format)
> > The best low powered solution I could find that still had enough meat
> > and potatoes under the hood is from these guys
> > http://soekris.com/products/net5501.html   but they are a bit pricey.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jeff Green
> > Email: mail [ at ] forjeff [ dot ] com
> > Blog/Photography/Bio: http://forjeff.com
> > Cell/Text: 613.552.2704
> >
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > Subject: Linux Digest, Vol 121, Issue 6
> > > From: linux-request [ at ] lists [ dot ] oclug [ dot ] on [ dot ] ca
> > > Date: Mon, January 05, 2015 10:00 pm
> > > To: linux [ at ] lists [ dot ] oclug [ dot ] on [ dot ] ca
> > >
> > >
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> > > Today's Topics:
> > >
> > >    1. Re: Opinions requested: LF Good low powered multi-port
> > >       gateway/wireless router (Alex Pilon)
> > >    2. Re: Opinions requested: LF Good low powered multi-port
> > >       gateway/wireless router (Paul Belanger)
> > >    3. Re: Opinions requested: LF Good low powered multi-port
> > >       gateway/wireless router (Peter Meyer)
> > >    4. Re: Opinions requested: LF Good low powered multi-port
> > >       gateway/wireless router (Singer Wang)
> > >    5. Re: Opinions requested: LF Good low powered multi-port
> > >       gateway/wireless router (Alex Pilon)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 12:00:52 -0500
> > > From: Alex Pilon <alp [ at ] alexpilon [ dot ] ca>
> > > To: Peter Meyer <petermeyer69 [ at ] gmail [ dot ] com>
> > > Cc: linux [ at ] lists [ dot ] oclug [ dot ] on [ dot ] ca
> > > Subject: Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Opinions requested: LF Good low powered
> > >     multi-port gateway/wireless router
> > > Message-ID: <20150105170052 [ dot ] GA800 [ at ] alexpilon [ dot ] ca>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 01:52:23PM -0500, Peter Meyer wrote:
> > > > Opinions please.  I am looking to build/buy something that replaces
> my
> > > > existing router/gateway box.
> > > >
> > > > My thinking is taking me in two directions.  One is to replace my
> existing
> > > > WRT54GL running Tomato with another embedded system running openWRT
> > >
> > > Why not just stock Linux? What are you doing that requires those
> > > firmwares? Just stock linux, sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1, a bit of
> > > iptables or nftables, dnsmasq or ISC DHCPd and your favourite caching
> > > and recursing nameserver, some static addressing and routes, and you're
> > > done, not to mention have far more control than you could hope for.
> > >
> > > But first, what are your speed requirements?
> > >
> > > > or build a multi-port router
> > >
> > > How is being multi-port exclusive?
> > >
> > > > (raspberry pi???)
> > >
> > > The Raspberry Pi *isn't* multi-port. You'll have to use tagged VLANs
> and
> > > a managed switch, like a Netgear GS-10[58]T to get around that.
> > >
> > > > with:
> > > > [?]
> > > > 2. unique zones and policies that separate the wifi (wlan) from the
> > > >    local network (lan) and firewall both from the internet.
> > >
> > > iptables or nftables. Zones are an abstraction built by the *WRTs, that
> > > produce very messy rulesets, no more. Did that with my router at home
> > > for my two ISPs and two subnets, and it works.
> > >
> > > > 3. QOS controls - This has become less of an issue as my DSL pipe is
> > > >    10/1, however I would like to add VOIP onto this network and
> > > >    prioritize its traffic above all other.
> > >
> > > If you want to *strictly prioritize*, and aren't worried about
> > > starvation, you'd use the prio qdisc. The simplest would be two bands,
> > > one for VoIP traffic, and the other for the remainder.
> > >
> > > Use tc (from iproute2) and a few iptables targets used to manage Linux
> > > QoS. But before even looking at that, is your link even appropriate for
> > > VoIP?  What's the latency on it like? Low and predictable enough? Have
> > > you tested it?
> > >
> > > Mind you, if you can find good tc filter documentation, you'll be in
> > > luck. tc itself isn't very helpful when you enter incorrect rules. And
> > > I'm sorely tempted to run Linux under a debugger just to figure out
> > > where it's failing.
> > >
> > > > I've started prototyping this idea using a raspberry PI running
> Shorewall,
> > >
> > > Why Shorewall?
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> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 12:16:47 -0500
> > > From: Paul Belanger <paul [ dot ] belanger [ at ] polybeacon [ dot ] com>
> > > To: Alex Pilon <alp [ at ] alexpilon [ dot ] ca>
> > > Cc: Peter Meyer <petermeyer69 [ at ] gmail [ dot ] com>, linux
> > >     <linux [ at ] lists [ dot ] oclug [ dot ] on [ dot ] ca>
> > > Subject: Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Opinions requested: LF Good low powered
> > >     multi-port gateway/wireless router
> > > Message-ID:
> > >     <CALLKq0QFF9ZFFfSyoQMHurZk8yUU+EOwuanWzv0qBwcVT=TuWw@mail.
> gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Alex Pilon <alp [ at ] alexpilon [ dot ] ca> wrote:
> > > > On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 01:52:23PM -0500, Peter Meyer wrote:
> > > >> Opinions please.  I am looking to build/buy something that replaces
> my
> > > >> existing router/gateway box.
> > > >>
> > > >> My thinking is taking me in two directions.  One is to replace my
> existing
> > > >> WRT54GL running Tomato with another embedded system running openWRT
> > > >
> > > > Why not just stock Linux? What are you doing that requires those
> > > > firmwares? Just stock linux, sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1, a bit of
> > > > iptables or nftables, dnsmasq or ISC DHCPd and your favourite caching
> > > > and recursing nameserver, some static addressing and routes, and
> you're
> > > > done, not to mention have far more control than you could hope for.
> > > >
> > > > But first, what are your speed requirements?
> > > >
> > > >> or build a multi-port router
> > > >
> > > > How is being multi-port exclusive?
> > > >
> > > >> (raspberry pi???)
> > > >
> > > > The Raspberry Pi *isn't* multi-port. You'll have to use tagged VLANs
> and
> > > > a managed switch, like a Netgear GS-10[58]T to get around that.
> > > >
> > > >> with:
> > > >> [?]
> > > >> 2. unique zones and policies that separate the wifi (wlan) from the
> > > >>    local network (lan) and firewall both from the internet.
> > > >
> > > > iptables or nftables. Zones are an abstraction built by the *WRTs,
> that
> > > > produce very messy rulesets, no more. Did that with my router at home
> > > > for my two ISPs and two subnets, and it works.
> > > >
> > > >> 3. QOS controls - This has become less of an issue as my DSL pipe is
> > > >>    10/1, however I would like to add VOIP onto this network and
> > > >>    prioritize its traffic above all other.
> > > >
> > > > If you want to *strictly prioritize*, and aren't worried about
> > > > starvation, you'd use the prio qdisc. The simplest would be two
> bands,
> > > > one for VoIP traffic, and the other for the remainder.
> > > >
> > > > Use tc (from iproute2) and a few iptables targets used to manage
> Linux
> > > > QoS. But before even looking at that, is your link even appropriate
> for
> > > > VoIP?  What's the latency on it like? Low and predictable enough?
> Have
> > > > you tested it?
> > > >
> > > > Mind you, if you can find good tc filter documentation, you'll be in
> > > > luck. tc itself isn't very helpful when you enter incorrect rules.
> And
> > > > I'm sorely tempted to run Linux under a debugger just to figure out
> > > > where it's failing.
> > > >
> > > >> I've started prototyping this idea using a raspberry PI running
> Shorewall,
> > > >
> > > > Why Shorewall?
> > > >
> > > Some feedback on another product.
> > >
> > > I'm in the process of pulling the trigger on getting a RouterBoard
> > > RB2011iL-IN[1]. However, this version does not have wireless support
> > > so you'd have to drop a wireless AP or move to the RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN
> > > [2].  It should offer everything listed in your original email.
> > >
> > > [1] http://routerboard.com/RB2011iL-IN
> > > [2] http://routerboard.com/RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN
> > >
> > > --
> > > Paul Belanger | PolyBeacon, Inc.
> > > Jabber: paul [ dot ] belanger [ at ] polybeacon [ dot ] com | IRC: pabelanger (Freenode)
> > > Github: https://github.com/pabelanger | Twitter:
> https://twitter.com/pabelanger
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 18:33:35 +0000
> > > From: Peter Meyer <petermeyer69 [ at ] gmail [ dot ] com>
> > > To: Alex Pilon <alp [ at ] alexpilon [ dot ] ca>
> > > Cc: linux [ at ] lists [ dot ] oclug [ dot ] on [ dot ] ca
> > > Subject: Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Opinions requested: LF Good low powered
> > >     multi-port gateway/wireless router
> > > Message-ID:
> > >     <CAPuTOo1WRO5XaswoSpC5kwTw+VXeXTLO5DWOpLM1QzFP+Xgnfw@
> mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > >
> > > Hi Alex:
> > >
> > > Stock Linux would be my first choice, but I do want a system that has a
> > > power budget of less than 10 Watts.  (This is for home use).
> > >
> > > My end goal is to create a separate guest account for the wireless(with
> > > access blocked to the local lan).  I know a number of Linksys (and I
> hear
> > > OpenWRT) configuration will support this.
> > >
> > > The Utilite (http://www.compulab.co.il/utilite-computer/web/utilite-
> overview)
> > > would be my best best in terms of power and has  separate GMII ports.
> > >
> > > As for speed, I can't forsee data ever exceeding 30Mb/s (the
> anticipated
> > > limitation of DSL in my area).
> > >
> > > The QOS is a nice to have.  I've been spoiled by the simple interface
> > > offered by Tomato.  I don't know what it does with my QOS classes in
> the
> > > background.
> > >
> > > This might make a solution with the PI possible.  Again, I need to see
> if
> > > the USB hub can handle a push of traffic without dropping packets.
> > >
> > > I mention Shorewall, as it's a firewall configuration script/tools I
> became
> > > familiar with some years ago to lbridge/firewall a modem to my home
> network.
> > >
> > > Alex:  Thanks for replying!!
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon Jan 05 2015 at 12:01:11 Alex Pilon <alp [ at ] alexpilon [ dot ] ca> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 01:52:23PM -0500, Peter Meyer wrote:
> > > > > Opinions please.  I am looking to build/buy something that
> replaces my
> > > > > existing router/gateway box.
> > > > >
> > > > > My thinking is taking me in two directions.  One is to replace my
> > > > existing
> > > > > WRT54GL running Tomato with another embedded system running openWRT
> > > >
> > > > Why not just stock Linux? What are you doing that requires those
> > > > firmwares? Just stock linux, sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1, a bit of
> > > > iptables or nftables, dnsmasq or ISC DHCPd and your favourite caching
> > > > and recursing nameserver, some static addressing and routes, and
> you're
> > > > done, not to mention have far more control than you could hope for.
> > > >
> > > > But first, what are your speed requirements?
> > > >
> > > > > or build a multi-port router
> > > >
> > > > How is being multi-port exclusive?
> > > >
> > > > > (raspberry pi???)
> > > >
> > > > The Raspberry Pi *isn't* multi-port. You'll have to use tagged VLANs
> and
> > > > a managed switch, like a Netgear GS-10[58]T to get around that.
> > > >
> > > > > with:
> > > > > [?]
> > > > > 2. unique zones and policies that separate the wifi (wlan) from the
> > > > >    local network (lan) and firewall both from the internet.
> > > >
> > > > iptables or nftables. Zones are an abstraction built by the *WRTs,
> that
> > > > produce very messy rulesets, no more. Did that with my router at home
> > > > for my two ISPs and two subnets, and it works.
> > > >
> > > > > 3. QOS controls - This has become less of an issue as my DSL pipe
> is
> > > > >    10/1, however I would like to add VOIP onto this network and
> > > > >    prioritize its traffic above all other.
> > > >
> > > > If you want to *strictly prioritize*, and aren't worried about
> > > > starvation, you'd use the prio qdisc. The simplest would be two
> bands,
> > > > one for VoIP traffic, and the other for the remainder.
> > > >
> > > > Use tc (from iproute2) and a few iptables targets used to manage
> Linux
> > > > QoS. But before even looking at that, is your link even appropriate
> for
> > > > VoIP?  What's the latency on it like? Low and predictable enough?
> Have
> > > > you tested it?
> > > >
> > > > Mind you, if you can find good tc filter documentation, you'll be in
> > > > luck. tc itself isn't very helpful when you enter incorrect rules.
> And
> > > > I'm sorely tempted to run Linux under a debugger just to figure out
> > > > where it's failing.
> > > >
> > > > > I've started prototyping this idea using a raspberry PI running
> > > > Shorewall,
> > > >
> > > > Why Shorewall?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 4
> > > Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 14:12:52 -0500
> > > From: Singer Wang <wang [ at ] singerwang [ dot ] com>
> > > To: petermeyer69 [ at ] gmail [ dot ] com
> > > Cc: linux [ at ] lists [ dot ] oclug [ dot ] on [ dot ] ca
> > > Subject: Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Opinions requested: LF Good low powered
> > >     multi-port gateway/wireless router
> > > Message-ID:
> > >     <CAGaPp0ygCyWnTBhjAiWRaD146-_TymRgDDbEe8z-LkJZ-exKRA@mail.
> gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > >
> > > I tried the ThinkPengiun solution and I found it rather lacking. We do
> a
> > > fair bit of transfers on the local LAN between computers plugged in and
> > > those on Wifi. The two main limitations for us were:
> > > 1) only 100Mb ethernet ports
> > > 2) the wireless-N is only on the 2.4GHz band, not 5GHz and is really
> slow..
> > > I have never been able to hit more then 80Mb/s from it even right next
> to
> > > it..
> > >
> > > S
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Peter Meyer <petermeyer69 [ at ] gmail [ dot ] com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Forum:
> > > >
> > > > Opinions please.  I am looking to build/buy something that replaces
> my
> > > > existing router/gateway box.
> > > >
> > > > My thinking is taking me in two directions.  One is to replace my
> existing
> > > > WRT54GL running Tomato with another embedded system running openWRT
> or
> > > > build a multi-port router (raspberry pi???) with:
> > > >
> > > > 1. wireless N
> > > > 2. unique zones and policies that separate the wifi (wlan) from the
> > > >    local network (lan) and firewall both from the internet.
> > > > 3. QOS controls - This has become less of an issue as my DSL pipe is
> > > >    10/1, however I would like to add VOIP onto this network and
> > > >    prioritize its traffic above all other.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I've started prototyping this idea using a raspberry PI running
> Shorewall,
> > > > but read discussion groups  that mention that the USB hub can't
> handle the
> > > > multiple USB<->Ethernet ports and will start dropping packets.  I'll
> know
> > > > more once I've go this set up and start pushing serious traffic
> through it.
> > > >
> > > > The one box that might serve this firewall function well is a
> utilite <
> > > > http://www.compulab.co.il/utilite-computer/web/utilite-overview>
> box that
> > > > has two GIGE ports connected right to the ARM processor.
> > > >
> > > > Can you make any further comments on the thinkpenguin solution <
> > > > https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/free-software-
> > > > wireless-n-broadband-router-gnu-linux-tpe-nwifirouter2> mentioned or
> > > > other router boxes that with OpenWRT would meet the above mentioned
> > > > requirements.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!!
> > > >
> > > > Peter
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> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 5
> > > Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 22:00:38 -0500
> > > From: Alex Pilon <alp [ at ] alexpilon [ dot ] ca>
> > > To: Peter Meyer <petermeyer69 [ at ] gmail [ dot ] com>
> > > Cc: linux [ at ] lists [ dot ] oclug [ dot ] on [ dot ] ca
> > > Subject: Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Opinions requested: LF Good low powered
> > >     multi-port gateway/wireless router
> > > Message-ID: <20150106030038 [ dot ] GB4444 [ at ] alexpilon [ dot ] ca>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> > >
> > > > > On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 01:52:23PM -0500, Peter Meyer wrote:
> > > > > > Opinions please. I am looking to build/buy something that
> replaces my
> > > > > > existing router/gateway box.
> > > > >
> > > > On Mon Jan 05 2015 at 12:01:11 Alex Pilon <alp [ at ] alexpilon [ dot ] ca> wrote:
> > > > > Why not just stock Linux?
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jan 05, 2015 at 06:33:35PM +0000, Peter Meyer wrote:
> > > > Stock Linux would be my first choice, but I do want a system that
> has a
> > > > power budget of less than 10 Watts. (This is for home use).
> > >
> > > Pardon me, I meant software; not disputing the choice of hardware.
> > >
> > > > The Utilite (http://www.compulab.co.il/utilite-computer/web/utilite-
> overview)
> > > > would be my best best in terms of power and has separate GMII ports.
> > >
> > > I've been looking for a solid-cased 2-4 port SBC, *without video*, or
> > > any extraneous components. Too bad the Utilite is just one more such
> > > board.
> > >
> > > > I can't forsee data ever exceeding 30Mb/s (the anticipated limitation
> > > > of DSL in my area).
> > >
> > > No intra-WLAN, or WLAN-LAN traffic? There was another post that
> > > complained about that too. Sure, 802.11 is half-duplex, so you're not
> > > losing any more throughput, but LAN-WLAN traffic will take more of a
> hit
> > > than it ought, being both over the same USB bus.
> > >
> > > > > Use tc (from iproute2) and a few iptables targets used to manage
> Linux
> > > > > QoS.
> > > >
> > > > The QOS is a nice to have. I've been spoiled by the simple interface
> > > > offered by Tomato. I don't know what it does with my QOS classes in
> the
> > > > background.
> > >
> > > LARTC was written a while back, and isn't too bad of an *introduction*
> > > still, as outdated and occasionally faulty as it is. There's also this:
> > >
> > >     http://wiki.linuxwall.info/doku.php/en:ressources:
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