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[OCLUG-Tech] Firewall - PCEngines

Thanks to the person who suggested PCEngines.  I wasn't the original
person asking for advice but after checking them out, I am replacing my
existing firewall with one of their solutions.  I ended up with the
following:

APU.1D4 system board 4GB
Enclosure 3 LAN, red, USB
AC adapter 12V US plug for IT equipment
SSD M-Sata 16GB MLC Phison
Cable I-PEX -> reverse SMA
Antenna reverse SMA dual band
Compex WLE200NX miniPCI express card

All in a fanless box smaller than my linksys router.  So freaking
amazing.




Jeff Green
Email: mail [ at ] forjeff [ dot ] com
Blog/Photography/Bio: http://forjeff.com
Cell/Text: 613.552.2704

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Linux Digest, Vol 121, Issue 7
> From: linux-request [ at ] lists [ dot ] oclug [ dot ] on [ dot ] ca
> Date: Tue, January 06, 2015 9:50 am
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> Today's Topics:
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>    1. Re: Opinions requested: LF Good low powered multi-port
>       gateway/wireless router (Peter Meyer)
>    2. Re: Opinions requested: LF Good low powered multi-port
>       gateway/wireless router (Murphy Scott)
>    3. Low powered firewall (Jeff Green)
> 
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> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 13:51:50 +0000
> From: Peter Meyer <petermeyer69 [ at ] gmail [ dot ] com>
> To: Alex Pilon <alp [ at ] alexpilon [ dot ] ca>
> Cc: linux [ at ] lists [ dot ] oclug [ dot ] on [ dot ] ca
> Subject: Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Opinions requested: LF Good low powered
> 	multi-port gateway/wireless router
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Hi Alex:
> 
> I appreciate your opinions regarding both the hardware and software
> requirements.  I too wish I could get my hands on a 2-4port SBC.  The
> utilite tries to play into the set top/nettop market and be more of a
> general purpose computer.  Their version 2 system, has dropped the second
> GigE port.  I should perhaps look again at the various routers being
> mentioned in these forums, I'd be interested in knowing if they have unique
> hardware ports or use software to create virtual LANs.
> 
> The WLAN-WLAN, WLAN-LAN traffic is something I need to reconsider.  Most of
> my need to create an isolated WLAN has to do with my create a "safe" gaming
> zone for my kid and his friends and still keeping our LAN access tightly
> controlled/filtered.  I guess if I treat the WLAN as its own zone, then I
> should think about hardware that would support good WLAN-WLAN traffic.
> Good point.
> 
> Thanks!!
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> On Mon Jan 05 2015 at 22:00:57 Alex Pilon <alp [ at ] alexpilon [ dot ] ca> wrote:
> 
> > > > On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 01:52:23PM -0500, Peter Meyer wrote:
> > > > > Opinions please. I am looking to build/buy something that replaces my
> > > > > existing router/gateway box.
> > > >
> > > On Mon Jan 05 2015 at 12:01:11 Alex Pilon <alp [ at ] alexpilon [ dot ] ca> wrote:
> > > > Why not just stock Linux?
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 05, 2015 at 06:33:35PM +0000, Peter Meyer wrote:
> > > Stock Linux would be my first choice, but I do want a system that has a
> > > power budget of less than 10 Watts. (This is for home use).
> >
> > Pardon me, I meant software; not disputing the choice of hardware.
> >
> > > The Utilite (http://www.compulab.co.il/utilite-computer/web/utilite-
> > overview)
> > > would be my best best in terms of power and has separate GMII ports.
> >
> > I've been looking for a solid-cased 2-4 port SBC, *without video*, or
> > any extraneous components. Too bad the Utilite is just one more such
> > board.
> >
> > > I can't forsee data ever exceeding 30Mb/s (the anticipated limitation
> > > of DSL in my area).
> >
> > No intra-WLAN, or WLAN-LAN traffic? There was another post that
> > complained about that too. Sure, 802.11 is half-duplex, so you're not
> > losing any more throughput, but LAN-WLAN traffic will take more of a hit
> > than it ought, being both over the same USB bus.
> >
> > > > Use tc (from iproute2) and a few iptables targets used to manage Linux
> > > > QoS.
> > >
> > > The QOS is a nice to have. I've been spoiled by the simple interface
> > > offered by Tomato. I don't know what it does with my QOS classes in the
> > > background.
> >
> > LARTC was written a while back, and isn't too bad of an *introduction*
> > still, as outdated and occasionally faulty as it is. There's also this:
> >
> >     http://wiki.linuxwall.info/doku.php/en:ressources:
> > dossiers:networking:traffic_control
> >
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 09:03:35 -0500
> From: Murphy Scott <scott [ dot ] murphy [ at ] arrow-eye [ dot ] com>
> To: Peter Meyer <petermeyer69 [ at ] gmail [ dot ] com>
> Cc: Users Group Ottawa Linux <linux [ at ] lists [ dot ] oclug [ dot ] on [ dot ] ca>
> Subject: Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Opinions requested: LF Good low powered
> 	multi-port	gateway/wireless router
> Message-ID: <2530A4C7-0871-452C-AEE7-AC81C66B9E5B [ at ] arrow-eye [ dot ] com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> I don?t know how robust a machine you are looking for, but the PC Engines APU board might be of use. You can run whatever OS you want (x86 compatible), it has a serial console, no video and a few options for storage and three 1GB ethernet ports (Realtek RTL8111E). This is the successor to the ALIX series. There are options to add wireless, even 3G with a 3G modem and a SIM if you need a backup data channel for something. 2GB or 4GB  RAM models are available. This can be turned into a router with relative ease, either with custom images or roll your own.
> 
> http://www.pcengines.ch/apu.htm
> 
> Scott
> 
> > On Jan 6, 2015, at 08:51, Peter Meyer <petermeyer69 [ at ] gmail [ dot ] com> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Alex:
> > 
> > I appreciate your opinions regarding both the hardware and software
> > requirements.  I too wish I could get my hands on a 2-4port SBC.  The
> > utilite tries to play into the set top/nettop market and be more of a
> > general purpose computer.  Their version 2 system, has dropped the second
> > GigE port.  I should perhaps look again at the various routers being
> > mentioned in these forums, I'd be interested in knowing if they have unique
> > hardware ports or use software to create virtual LANs.
> > 
> > The WLAN-WLAN, WLAN-LAN traffic is something I need to reconsider.  Most of
> > my need to create an isolated WLAN has to do with my create a "safe" gaming
> > zone for my kid and his friends and still keeping our LAN access tightly
> > controlled/filtered.  I guess if I treat the WLAN as its own zone, then I
> > should think about hardware that would support good WLAN-WLAN traffic.
> > Good point.
> > 
> > Thanks!!
> > 
> > Peter
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon Jan 05 2015 at 22:00:57 Alex Pilon <alp [ at ] alexpilon [ dot ] ca> wrote:
> > 
> >>>> On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 01:52:23PM -0500, Peter Meyer wrote:
> >>>>> Opinions please. I am looking to build/buy something that replaces my
> >>>>> existing router/gateway box.
> >>>> 
> >>> On Mon Jan 05 2015 at 12:01:11 Alex Pilon <alp [ at ] alexpilon [ dot ] ca> wrote:
> >>>> Why not just stock Linux?
> >> 
> >> On Mon, Jan 05, 2015 at 06:33:35PM +0000, Peter Meyer wrote:
> >>> Stock Linux would be my first choice, but I do want a system that has a
> >>> power budget of less than 10 Watts. (This is for home use).
> >> 
> >> Pardon me, I meant software; not disputing the choice of hardware.
> >> 
> >>> The Utilite (http://www.compulab.co.il/utilite-computer/web/utilite-
> >> overview)
> >>> would be my best best in terms of power and has separate GMII ports.
> >> 
> >> I've been looking for a solid-cased 2-4 port SBC, *without video*, or
> >> any extraneous components. Too bad the Utilite is just one more such
> >> board.
> >> 
> >>> I can't forsee data ever exceeding 30Mb/s (the anticipated limitation
> >>> of DSL in my area).
> >> 
> >> No intra-WLAN, or WLAN-LAN traffic? There was another post that
> >> complained about that too. Sure, 802.11 is half-duplex, so you're not
> >> losing any more throughput, but LAN-WLAN traffic will take more of a hit
> >> than it ought, being both over the same USB bus.
> >> 
> >>>> Use tc (from iproute2) and a few iptables targets used to manage Linux
> >>>> QoS.
> >>> 
> >>> The QOS is a nice to have. I've been spoiled by the simple interface
> >>> offered by Tomato. I don't know what it does with my QOS classes in the
> >>> background.
> >> 
> >> LARTC was written a while back, and isn't too bad of an *introduction*
> >> still, as outdated and occasionally faulty as it is. There's also this:
> >> 
> >>    http://wiki.linuxwall.info/doku.php/en:ressources:
> >> dossiers:networking:traffic_control
> >> 
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> Subject: [OCLUG-Tech] Low powered firewall
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> I'm extremely interested in building a low powered firewall as well.  I
> eventually settled on micro ATX format, intel Atom chip with 2GB ram
> (fanless)  It's about twice the size of a linksys router and I was able
> to get a multi ethernet board (5 ports).  I have multiple networks at
> home.  I settled for pfSense for the firewall application.  I haven't
> done extensive research from as far as I can tell, you can't add more
> then 2 RJ45 ports on Raspberry PI (would love to use that format)    
> The best low powered solution I could find that still had enough meat
> and potatoes under the hood is from these guys 
> http://soekris.com/products/net5501.html   but they are a bit pricey.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jeff Green
> Email: mail [ at ] forjeff [ dot ] com
> Blog/Photography/Bio: http://forjeff.com
> Cell/Text: 613.552.2704
> 
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Linux Digest, Vol 121, Issue 6
> > From: linux-request [ at ] lists [ dot ] oclug [ dot ] on [ dot ] ca
> > Date: Mon, January 05, 2015 10:00 pm
> > To: linux [ at ] lists [ dot ] oclug [ dot ] on [ dot ] ca
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> > Today's Topics:
> > 
> >    1. Re: Opinions requested: LF Good low powered multi-port
> >       gateway/wireless router (Alex Pilon)
> >    2. Re: Opinions requested: LF Good low powered multi-port
> >       gateway/wireless router (Paul Belanger)
> >    3. Re: Opinions requested: LF Good low powered multi-port
> >       gateway/wireless router (Peter Meyer)
> >    4. Re: Opinions requested: LF Good low powered multi-port
> >       gateway/wireless router (Singer Wang)
> >    5. Re: Opinions requested: LF Good low powered multi-port
> >       gateway/wireless router (Alex Pilon)
> > 
> > 
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 12:00:52 -0500
> > From: Alex Pilon <alp [ at ] alexpilon [ dot ] ca>
> > To: Peter Meyer <petermeyer69 [ at ] gmail [ dot ] com>
> > Cc: linux [ at ] lists [ dot ] oclug [ dot ] on [ dot ] ca
> > Subject: Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Opinions requested: LF Good low powered
> > 	multi-port gateway/wireless router
> > Message-ID: <20150105170052 [ dot ] GA800 [ at ] alexpilon [ dot ] ca>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > 
> > On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 01:52:23PM -0500, Peter Meyer wrote:
> > > Opinions please.  I am looking to build/buy something that replaces my
> > > existing router/gateway box.
> > >
> > > My thinking is taking me in two directions.  One is to replace my existing
> > > WRT54GL running Tomato with another embedded system running openWRT
> > 
> > Why not just stock Linux? What are you doing that requires those
> > firmwares? Just stock linux, sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1, a bit of
> > iptables or nftables, dnsmasq or ISC DHCPd and your favourite caching
> > and recursing nameserver, some static addressing and routes, and you're
> > done, not to mention have far more control than you could hope for.
> > 
> > But first, what are your speed requirements?
> > 
> > > or build a multi-port router
> > 
> > How is being multi-port exclusive?
> > 
> > > (raspberry pi???)
> > 
> > The Raspberry Pi *isn't* multi-port. You'll have to use tagged VLANs and
> > a managed switch, like a Netgear GS-10[58]T to get around that.
> > 
> > > with:
> > > [?]
> > > 2. unique zones and policies that separate the wifi (wlan) from the
> > >    local network (lan) and firewall both from the internet.
> > 
> > iptables or nftables. Zones are an abstraction built by the *WRTs, that
> > produce very messy rulesets, no more. Did that with my router at home
> > for my two ISPs and two subnets, and it works.
> > 
> > > 3. QOS controls - This has become less of an issue as my DSL pipe is
> > >    10/1, however I would like to add VOIP onto this network and
> > >    prioritize its traffic above all other.
> > 
> > If you want to *strictly prioritize*, and aren't worried about
> > starvation, you'd use the prio qdisc. The simplest would be two bands,
> > one for VoIP traffic, and the other for the remainder.
> > 
> > Use tc (from iproute2) and a few iptables targets used to manage Linux
> > QoS. But before even looking at that, is your link even appropriate for
> > VoIP?  What's the latency on it like? Low and predictable enough? Have
> > you tested it?
> > 
> > Mind you, if you can find good tc filter documentation, you'll be in
> > luck. tc itself isn't very helpful when you enter incorrect rules. And
> > I'm sorely tempted to run Linux under a debugger just to figure out
> > where it's failing.
> > 
> > > I've started prototyping this idea using a raspberry PI running Shorewall,
> > 
> > Why Shorewall?
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> > 
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 12:16:47 -0500
> > From: Paul Belanger <paul [ dot ] belanger [ at ] polybeacon [ dot ] com>
> > To: Alex Pilon <alp [ at ] alexpilon [ dot ] ca>
> > Cc: Peter Meyer <petermeyer69 [ at ] gmail [ dot ] com>, linux
> > 	<linux [ at ] lists [ dot ] oclug [ dot ] on [ dot ] ca>
> > Subject: Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Opinions requested: LF Good low powered
> > 	multi-port gateway/wireless router
> > Message-ID:
> > 	<CALLKq0QFF9ZFFfSyoQMHurZk8yUU+EOwuanWzv0qBwcVT=TuWw [ at ] mail [ dot ] gmail [ dot ] com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > 
> > On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Alex Pilon <alp [ at ] alexpilon [ dot ] ca> wrote:
> > > On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 01:52:23PM -0500, Peter Meyer wrote:
> > >> Opinions please.  I am looking to build/buy something that replaces my
> > >> existing router/gateway box.
> > >>
> > >> My thinking is taking me in two directions.  One is to replace my existing
> > >> WRT54GL running Tomato with another embedded system running openWRT
> > >
> > > Why not just stock Linux? What are you doing that requires those
> > > firmwares? Just stock linux, sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1, a bit of
> > > iptables or nftables, dnsmasq or ISC DHCPd and your favourite caching
> > > and recursing nameserver, some static addressing and routes, and you're
> > > done, not to mention have far more control than you could hope for.
> > >
> > > But first, what are your speed requirements?
> > >
> > >> or build a multi-port router
> > >
> > > How is being multi-port exclusive?
> > >
> > >> (raspberry pi???)
> > >
> > > The Raspberry Pi *isn't* multi-port. You'll have to use tagged VLANs and
> > > a managed switch, like a Netgear GS-10[58]T to get around that.
> > >
> > >> with:
> > >> [?]
> > >> 2. unique zones and policies that separate the wifi (wlan) from the
> > >>    local network (lan) and firewall both from the internet.
> > >
> > > iptables or nftables. Zones are an abstraction built by the *WRTs, that
> > > produce very messy rulesets, no more. Did that with my router at home
> > > for my two ISPs and two subnets, and it works.
> > >
> > >> 3. QOS controls - This has become less of an issue as my DSL pipe is
> > >>    10/1, however I would like to add VOIP onto this network and
> > >>    prioritize its traffic above all other.
> > >
> > > If you want to *strictly prioritize*, and aren't worried about
> > > starvation, you'd use the prio qdisc. The simplest would be two bands,
> > > one for VoIP traffic, and the other for the remainder.
> > >
> > > Use tc (from iproute2) and a few iptables targets used to manage Linux
> > > QoS. But before even looking at that, is your link even appropriate for
> > > VoIP?  What's the latency on it like? Low and predictable enough? Have
> > > you tested it?
> > >
> > > Mind you, if you can find good tc filter documentation, you'll be in
> > > luck. tc itself isn't very helpful when you enter incorrect rules. And
> > > I'm sorely tempted to run Linux under a debugger just to figure out
> > > where it's failing.
> > >
> > >> I've started prototyping this idea using a raspberry PI running Shorewall,
> > >
> > > Why Shorewall?
> > >
> > Some feedback on another product.
> > 
> > I'm in the process of pulling the trigger on getting a RouterBoard
> > RB2011iL-IN[1]. However, this version does not have wireless support
> > so you'd have to drop a wireless AP or move to the RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN
> > [2].  It should offer everything listed in your original email.
> > 
> > [1] http://routerboard.com/RB2011iL-IN
> > [2] http://routerboard.com/RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN
> > 
> > -- 
> > Paul Belanger | PolyBeacon, Inc.
> > Jabber: paul [ dot ] belanger [ at ] polybeacon [ dot ] com | IRC: pabelanger (Freenode)
> > Github: https://github.com/pabelanger | Twitter: https://twitter.com/pabelanger
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------
> > 
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 18:33:35 +0000
> > From: Peter Meyer <petermeyer69 [ at ] gmail [ dot ] com>
> > To: Alex Pilon <alp [ at ] alexpilon [ dot ] ca>
> > Cc: linux [ at ] lists [ dot ] oclug [ dot ] on [ dot ] ca
> > Subject: Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Opinions requested: LF Good low powered
> > 	multi-port gateway/wireless router
> > Message-ID:
> > 	<CAPuTOo1WRO5XaswoSpC5kwTw+VXeXTLO5DWOpLM1QzFP+Xgnfw [ at ] mail [ dot ] gmail [ dot ] com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > 
> > Hi Alex:
> > 
> > Stock Linux would be my first choice, but I do want a system that has a
> > power budget of less than 10 Watts.  (This is for home use).
> > 
> > My end goal is to create a separate guest account for the wireless(with
> > access blocked to the local lan).  I know a number of Linksys (and I hear
> > OpenWRT) configuration will support this.
> > 
> > The Utilite (http://www.compulab.co.il/utilite-computer/web/utilite-overview)
> > would be my best best in terms of power and has  separate GMII ports.
> > 
> > As for speed, I can't forsee data ever exceeding 30Mb/s (the anticipated
> > limitation of DSL in my area).
> > 
> > The QOS is a nice to have.  I've been spoiled by the simple interface
> > offered by Tomato.  I don't know what it does with my QOS classes in the
> > background.
> > 
> > This might make a solution with the PI possible.  Again, I need to see if
> > the USB hub can handle a push of traffic without dropping packets.
> > 
> > I mention Shorewall, as it's a firewall configuration script/tools I became
> > familiar with some years ago to lbridge/firewall a modem to my home network.
> > 
> > Alex:  Thanks for replying!!
> > 
> > Peter
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon Jan 05 2015 at 12:01:11 Alex Pilon <alp [ at ] alexpilon [ dot ] ca> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 01:52:23PM -0500, Peter Meyer wrote:
> > > > Opinions please.  I am looking to build/buy something that replaces my
> > > > existing router/gateway box.
> > > >
> > > > My thinking is taking me in two directions.  One is to replace my
> > > existing
> > > > WRT54GL running Tomato with another embedded system running openWRT
> > >
> > > Why not just stock Linux? What are you doing that requires those
> > > firmwares? Just stock linux, sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1, a bit of
> > > iptables or nftables, dnsmasq or ISC DHCPd and your favourite caching
> > > and recursing nameserver, some static addressing and routes, and you're
> > > done, not to mention have far more control than you could hope for.
> > >
> > > But first, what are your speed requirements?
> > >
> > > > or build a multi-port router
> > >
> > > How is being multi-port exclusive?
> > >
> > > > (raspberry pi???)
> > >
> > > The Raspberry Pi *isn't* multi-port. You'll have to use tagged VLANs and
> > > a managed switch, like a Netgear GS-10[58]T to get around that.
> > >
> > > > with:
> > > > [?]
> > > > 2. unique zones and policies that separate the wifi (wlan) from the
> > > >    local network (lan) and firewall both from the internet.
> > >
> > > iptables or nftables. Zones are an abstraction built by the *WRTs, that
> > > produce very messy rulesets, no more. Did that with my router at home
> > > for my two ISPs and two subnets, and it works.
> > >
> > > > 3. QOS controls - This has become less of an issue as my DSL pipe is
> > > >    10/1, however I would like to add VOIP onto this network and
> > > >    prioritize its traffic above all other.
> > >
> > > If you want to *strictly prioritize*, and aren't worried about
> > > starvation, you'd use the prio qdisc. The simplest would be two bands,
> > > one for VoIP traffic, and the other for the remainder.
> > >
> > > Use tc (from iproute2) and a few iptables targets used to manage Linux
> > > QoS. But before even looking at that, is your link even appropriate for
> > > VoIP?  What's the latency on it like? Low and predictable enough? Have
> > > you tested it?
> > >
> > > Mind you, if you can find good tc filter documentation, you'll be in
> > > luck. tc itself isn't very helpful when you enter incorrect rules. And
> > > I'm sorely tempted to run Linux under a debugger just to figure out
> > > where it's failing.
> > >
> > > > I've started prototyping this idea using a raspberry PI running
> > > Shorewall,
> > >
> > > Why Shorewall?
> > >
> > 
> > 
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 14:12:52 -0500
> > From: Singer Wang <wang [ at ] singerwang [ dot ] com>
> > To: petermeyer69 [ at ] gmail [ dot ] com
> > Cc: linux [ at ] lists [ dot ] oclug [ dot ] on [ dot ] ca
> > Subject: Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Opinions requested: LF Good low powered
> > 	multi-port gateway/wireless router
> > Message-ID:
> > 	<CAGaPp0ygCyWnTBhjAiWRaD146-_TymRgDDbEe8z-LkJZ-exKRA [ at ] mail [ dot ] gmail [ dot ] com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > 
> > I tried the ThinkPengiun solution and I found it rather lacking. We do a
> > fair bit of transfers on the local LAN between computers plugged in and
> > those on Wifi. The two main limitations for us were:
> > 1) only 100Mb ethernet ports
> > 2) the wireless-N is only on the 2.4GHz band, not 5GHz and is really slow..
> > I have never been able to hit more then 80Mb/s from it even right next to
> > it..
> > 
> > S
> > 
> > On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Peter Meyer <petermeyer69 [ at ] gmail [ dot ] com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Forum:
> > >
> > > Opinions please.  I am looking to build/buy something that replaces my
> > > existing router/gateway box.
> > >
> > > My thinking is taking me in two directions.  One is to replace my existing
> > > WRT54GL running Tomato with another embedded system running openWRT or
> > > build a multi-port router (raspberry pi???) with:
> > >
> > > 1. wireless N
> > > 2. unique zones and policies that separate the wifi (wlan) from the
> > >    local network (lan) and firewall both from the internet.
> > > 3. QOS controls - This has become less of an issue as my DSL pipe is
> > >    10/1, however I would like to add VOIP onto this network and
> > >    prioritize its traffic above all other.
> > >
> > >
> > > I've started prototyping this idea using a raspberry PI running Shorewall,
> > > but read discussion groups  that mention that the USB hub can't handle the
> > > multiple USB<->Ethernet ports and will start dropping packets.  I'll know
> > > more once I've go this set up and start pushing serious traffic through it.
> > >
> > > The one box that might serve this firewall function well is a utilite <
> > > http://www.compulab.co.il/utilite-computer/web/utilite-overview> box that
> > > has two GIGE ports connected right to the ARM processor.
> > >
> > > Can you make any further comments on the thinkpenguin solution <
> > > https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/free-software-
> > > wireless-n-broadband-router-gnu-linux-tpe-nwifirouter2> mentioned or
> > > other router boxes that with OpenWRT would meet the above mentioned
> > > requirements.
> > >
> > > Thanks!!
> > >
> > > Peter
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 22:00:38 -0500
> > From: Alex Pilon <alp [ at ] alexpilon [ dot ] ca>
> > To: Peter Meyer <petermeyer69 [ at ] gmail [ dot ] com>
> > Cc: linux [ at ] lists [ dot ] oclug [ dot ] on [ dot ] ca
> > Subject: Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Opinions requested: LF Good low powered
> > 	multi-port gateway/wireless router
> > Message-ID: <20150106030038 [ dot ] GB4444 [ at ] alexpilon [ dot ] ca>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> > 
> > > > On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 01:52:23PM -0500, Peter Meyer wrote:
> > > > > Opinions please. I am looking to build/buy something that replaces my
> > > > > existing router/gateway box.
> > > >
> > > On Mon Jan 05 2015 at 12:01:11 Alex Pilon <alp [ at ] alexpilon [ dot ] ca> wrote:
> > > > Why not just stock Linux?
> > 
> > On Mon, Jan 05, 2015 at 06:33:35PM +0000, Peter Meyer wrote:
> > > Stock Linux would be my first choice, but I do want a system that has a
> > > power budget of less than 10 Watts. (This is for home use).
> > 
> > Pardon me, I meant software; not disputing the choice of hardware.
> > 
> > > The Utilite (http://www.compulab.co.il/utilite-computer/web/utilite-overview)
> > > would be my best best in terms of power and has separate GMII ports.
> > 
> > I've been looking for a solid-cased 2-4 port SBC, *without video*, or
> > any extraneous components. Too bad the Utilite is just one more such
> > board.
> > 
> > > I can't forsee data ever exceeding 30Mb/s (the anticipated limitation
> > > of DSL in my area).
> > 
> > No intra-WLAN, or WLAN-LAN traffic? There was another post that
> > complained about that too. Sure, 802.11 is half-duplex, so you're not
> > losing any more throughput, but LAN-WLAN traffic will take more of a hit
> > than it ought, being both over the same USB bus.
> > 
> > > > Use tc (from iproute2) and a few iptables targets used to manage Linux
> > > > QoS.
> > >
> > > The QOS is a nice to have. I've been spoiled by the simple interface
> > > offered by Tomato. I don't know what it does with my QOS classes in the
> > > background.
> > 
> > LARTC was written a while back, and isn't too bad of an *introduction*
> > still, as outdated and occasionally faulty as it is. There's also this:
> > 
> >     http://wiki.linuxwall.info/doku.php/en:ressources:dossiers:networking:traffic_control
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