Many thanks to all who helped, especially Bill who came over and arrived 5 minutes after it started working. Nevertheless, it was a good visit. It is up and working now, with just ordinary problems on the Usenet, (new ones, but I can straighten that out with my ISP). The major thing I did that fixed it was I threatened to return everything to my ISP and demand a refund. Suddenly things started working. (:-|) Stay away from MyCybernet.net. They have cause days of headaches for me. -- Regards, Fred Williams <unclefred [ at ] fredwilliams [ dot ] ca> <http://www.fredwilliams.ca>