prepping to teach a first-level red hat admin course here in town next week and, for the sake of efficiency (and laziness), i'm going to use some of red hat's superb online manuals, and here's an oddity i just ran across. here: https://access.redhat.com/site/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6-Beta/html/Logical_Volume_Manager_Administration/VG_remove_PV.html one is told that "pvdisplay" will indicate whether a physical volume is currently in use, and if you look at the output there, you can see the line: PV Status available but if i use that command on both ubuntu and fedora, i don't get that line of output. is anyone else using LVM that can run that command and see if their output matches what's on that page of the RH manual? i just don't see a "PV Status" line (or a "PV#" line, either). rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday ========================================================================