What do you mean by "non cloud" though? Eufy has an app - that's going through the cloud. I have Tapos that I really like. But same - has an app. Local storage though. 2 of them for $80 at Costco. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscribe [ at ] linux-ottawa [ dot ] org To get help send a blank message to linux+help [ at ] linux-ottawa [ dot ] org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org