I think Alayne has a point about requiring NCF membership, but I think a bit of discussion with Shelley Robinson would lead to a solution. I worked as a volunteer at NCF until my vision problems caught up with me. During that time I found that Ms. Robinsion is quite good at dealing with problems that combine a number of technical and no-technical issues. I would like to participate in a joint venture between OCLUG and NCF, perhaps by writing some of the documentation mentioned in this thread. ian https://web.ncf.ca/am125/ https://web.ncf.ca/iegorman/