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Re: Meeting for August.

I'm just going to send this again, and include myself as a recipient, since
the email list doesn't send a copy of messages I sent back to me, just to
see that it is actually going through, etc.

Feel free to just mention 'received' or something so I know the message is
making it through to the list, etc.



Michael Goguen



On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 12:37 AM Michael Goguen <michael [ dot ] goguen [ at ] gmail [ dot ] com>
wrote:

>
> I'm not really up on some of this, and my memory isn't great, but a legal
> expert on computer privacy and freedom from the University of Ottawa named
> Michael Geist has been blogging about current government bills being
> proposed or put into place by the Canadian Government, one of the laws or
> bills was about making big companies like google and facebook start paying
> money to Canadian News organizations for sharing Canadian News links, I
> think maybe this is a little bit like the group 'openmedia dot ca' might
> have described about a European law getting to place that they phrased as a
> 'link tax'.  Although the idea is supposedly to support Canadian News
> media, which is starting to lose a lot of money to social media (and those
> who control it), I think there is a comment I saw of Michael Geist's where
> he mentions that the changes could affects 'all users', and not just (if I
> am remembering the post correctly) news media, ie big tech might start
> supposedly having to pay regular users for sharing links or alternately
> blocking all of their link sharing so as not to have to pay, and or regular
> users who share news links, would they have to pay the news media because
> they shared their links?  I'm probably getting a lot of this wrong, I think
> there is better info about some of this available online from people who
> have looked at it...
>
> Also, there was a court injunction (that now has a stay from another
> court) against the USA Biden Administration for censoring American's (and
> possibly other peoples', as well) social media posts on many issues,
> election issues, fakzine issues, climate change, Hunter Biden's laptop
> emails, so like ongoing legal and court issues, etc that were factually
> true, so the injunction had been that the administration couldn't contact
> the big tech companies that were doing the censoring, I noticed some
> censoring started to decrease for awhile, or become more hidden, so Matt
> Taibbi has talked about some of this in congressional or something hearings
> in the USA, called 'the twitter files', documents exposed about usa gov
> ordering twitter to censor certain things. RFK jr, who is running for
> president of the usa for 2024, has also started a lawsuit againt the usa
> gov for censoring him, and there were 12 people known as the
> 'disinformation dozen' who were cited by the biden information and some of
> the groups who were 'managing information' as sources for a lot of the
> 'supposed' disinformation about fakzines, one of them was someone named
> J0seph M3rc0la, who at one point had his bank accounts frozen by a bank
> he's been with for something like 20 years, as well as other execs in his
> business and family members (morgan chase bank), and he has recently had
> those bank accounts 'closed' (so I might be confusing some information) at
> any rate yeah so banks accounts were closed with no reason given on the
> sudden, other alternative media groups, some of who were called 'foreign
> disinformation agents', were having their funding cut off by usa interests,
> sometimes based on supposed embargoes of various countries that were paying
> journalists for their media, so disclosures of corruption by journalists,
> somewhat like julian assange type wikileaks disclosures, essentially were
> getting defunded, like when wikileaks was having paypal and other
> transactions blocked by those companies, etc, including for trying to pay
> for legal fees for court cases, etc. Some of the information the
> 'disinformation dozen' were sharing has been proven to be true, and other
> groups, like the british medical journal, also made open statements and
> comments, like to facebook, about some of their journal article posts being
> called disinformation unfairly, without any accountability by the social
> media groups doing the censoring, etc, so things that were considered
> widely accepted, peer reviewed, etc, that were told to be censored got
> censored even though it was blocking true and important information, the
> argument is that if the tech governments and social media 'did it on their
> own', they are not 'required' to give 'free speech' on their platforms, and
> so supposedly the only reason there is even a free speech/ censorship
> debate for this kind of abusive stuff happening, is supposedly because in
> some cases, the usa gov or other governments (eu has a law in place and was
> warning / checking with elon musk, would twitter respect their laws of
> blocking certain things, and Elon Musk said twitter would obey the law,
> etc, although some countries have talked about blocking some social media
> companies completely if they do not 'respect' their 'laws' about 'unallowed
> posts/information').
>
> Has anyone else been following any of this? The impacts of the Julian
> Assange case, for doing journalism, could impact journalists worldwide,
> criminalizing them (and allowing them to be like sent to the usa or other
> countries for posting 'defense secrets' that expose crimes of those
> countries, and basically put them in jail and try them for it, and it is
> possible this could be done to include anyone who shares any information,
> blogging etc, as 'criminal journalists', to be taken to said countries for
> exposing crimes of the powerful, and then put in jail for it, etc.
>
> So yeah, is this something anyone else has been looking into or would want
> to discuss or anything? Is this online meeting stuff, or people would
> prefer to do in person, or in person and everyone puts their cellphones in
> a faraday cage... LOL eheheh anyways.
>
> I guess I will see if this email goes through to the list.
>
>
> Michael Goguen
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> On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 11:07 PM Richard Guy Briggs <rgb [ at ] tricolour [ dot ] ca>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-08-01 02:50, Katherine Mcmillan wrote:
>> > "That used to be GOSLINGS (Getting Open Source Logic Into GovernmentS).
>> > They're still going strong, but now meeting in the basement of the
>> > building TUPOC tried to squat..."
>> >
>> > Richard, you are certainly a fountain of knowledge, and I have stopped
>> questioning how you know all these things.  Well, I have some questions.. I
>> might attend the meetup on Friday and bother these others with those, over
>> nachos. :)
>>
>> I have a couple of decades head start...  And I guess my memory hasn't
>> left me yet...  I'll likely go for nachos...
>>
>> > I can plan for this Thursday.  If others don't necessarily want to
>> present, I stumbled across a legal article that we could discuss!
>> > I know, I know, but it is actually quite interesting:
>> https://www.itworldcanada.com/article/canadian-law-in-conflict-with-aspects-of-gpl/15982
>> >
>> > -Katie
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Richard Guy Briggs <rgb [ at ] tricolour [ dot ] ca>
>> > Sent: 31 July 2023 22:36
>> > To: Katherine Mcmillan <kmcmi046 [ at ] uottawa [ dot ] ca>
>> > Cc: Ian E. Gorman <iegorman [ at ] gmail [ dot ] com>; tug <tug [ dot ] williams [ at ] gmail [ dot ] com>;
>> jf [ at ] messier [ dot ] ca <jf [ at ] messier [ dot ] ca>; Linux-Ottawa <linux [ at ] linux-ottawa [ dot ] org>
>> > Subject: Re: [linux] Meeting for August.
>> >
>> > Attention : courriel externe | external email
>> >
>> > On 2023-08-01 02:12, Katherine Mcmillan wrote:
>> > > Hi Tug and all,
>> > >
>> > > Sure, I???m happy to try to plan a meeting :)
>> > >
>> > > What I???m going to do is the following: plan a regular online
>> meeting and recommend that anyone that would like to attend something in
>> person, which is also awesome, attend this:
>> https://www.meetup.com/opensourcenerdsandnachos/
>> >
>> > That used to be GOSLINGS (Getting Open Source Logic Into GovernmentS).
>> > They're still going strong, but now meeting in the basement of the
>> > building TUPOC tried to squat...
>> >
>> > > This also means that I would recommend we have our meeting next
>> Thursday (August 10). Would that work, or should I try to plan for this
>> Thursday?
>> >
>> > I'd somewhat strongly recommend sticking with the first Thursday.  (But
>> > after the regular date is somewhat better than before so those regulars
>> > expecting it won't miss it.)
>> >
>> > > Sincerely,
>> > > Katie
>> > > ________________________________
>> > > From: Ian E. Gorman <iegorman [ at ] gmail [ dot ] com>
>> > > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2023 9:02:34 PM
>> > > To: tug <tug [ dot ] williams [ at ] gmail [ dot ] com>
>> > > Cc: Katherine Mcmillan <kmcmi046 [ at ] uottawa [ dot ] ca>; jf [ at ] messier [ dot ] ca <
>> jf [ at ] messier [ dot ] ca>; Linux-Ottawa <linux [ at ] linux-ottawa [ dot ] org>
>> > > Subject: Re: [linux] Meeting for August.
>> > >
>> > > Attention : courriel externe | external email
>> > > I would like to have a meeting, even though I have nothing to bring.
>> > >
>> > > Iam
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 9:11???PM tug <tug [ dot ] williams [ at ] gmail [ dot ] com<mailto:
>> tug [ dot ] williams [ at ] gmail [ dot ] com>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I don't recall Timothy offering to give a presentation. Did emails go
>> missing?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I've not prepared anything, and haven't heard of anyone (until
>> Katie's offer in this email).
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Last month I was going to propose a link to meet, despite there being
>> no planned talks, but as there were problems with spam filters, I just put
>> a notice cancelling the meeting on the website.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I might or might not be able to attend a meeting this week, so it
>> seemed a bit bad to propose a meeting. I know John was trying to arrange
>> something, but I've not heard much, and I haven't had time these past
>> couple of weeks to check in.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > So Katie - do you want to kick off a meeting, and see where it pans
>> out from there?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Tug
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 2023-07-31 18:09, Katherine Mcmillan wrote:
>> > > Hello Jean-Francois,
>> > >
>> > > I would really like to see a presentation by Timothy Forbes.
>> However, it may not be a good time for that.
>> > >
>> > > I have created a sequel to my first "Linux for the Wacom"
>> presentation that I could present if anyone is interested - I go into a
>> specific security concern and how Linux (openSUSE in this case) overcomes
>> that.  It wouldn't take long to present, and I would appreciate
>> thoughts/feedback.
>> > >
>> > > I would also be interested in inviting an attendee from my new
>> workplace who has expressed interest. :)
>> > >
>> > > Sincerely,
>> > > Katie
>> > > ________________________________
>> > > From: jf [ at ] messier [ dot ] ca<mailto:jf [ at ] messier [ dot ] ca> <jf [ at ] messier [ dot ] ca><mailto:
>> jf [ at ] messier [ dot ] ca>
>> > > Sent: 31 July 2023 15:03
>> > > To: linux [ at ] linux-ottawa [ dot ] org<mailto:linux [ at ] linux-ottawa [ dot ] org> <
>> linux [ at ] linux-ottawa [ dot ] org><mailto:linux [ at ] linux-ottawa [ dot ] org>
>> > > Subject: [linux] Meeting for August.
>> > >
>> > > Attention : courriel externe | external email
>> > >
>> > > Is there a meeting this Thursday ? I know the July meeting ws
>> cancelled,
>> > > but do we have topics for this month ?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks :-)
>> > >
>> > > JF
>> > >
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>> > > --
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