{some lines snipped} On Sun, Jul 03, 2011 at 11:32:27AM -0400, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > I would have thought Apache would be an obvious example: > http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2011/01/12/january-2011-web-server-survey-4.html > > > It's install base easily outnumbers all applications that i can think > > of. For example, firefox uses it to manage some of it's data storage. > > So every firefox install is an installation of sqlite. Many other > > applications use sqlite for some form of data storage. > > Please see: http://sqlite.org/mostdeployed.html http://sqlite.org/famous.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ipod_sales_per_quarter.svg#shared-image-desc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype#Usage_and_traffic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_mobile_phones_in_use With that info: For sheer size of userbase, sqlite is still the best example I can think of. Perhaps ?? billions of active installations For any other aspect, I'll happily conceed that many projects, including apache, are much better examples than sqlite. Getting back to the "myths" subject matter.. Of course, google will bring up what it can find. Some of the best "mythical" ideas come from the idiotic^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hamazing quotes of certain "induhviduals" quoting: (oops, I didn't note the source down.. sorry. I'm sure google will help find it.) --- "There's free software and then there's open source," he suggested, noting that Microsoft gives away its software in developing countries. With open source software, on the other hand, "there is this thing called the GPL, which we disagree with." Open source, he said, creates a license "so that nobody can ever improve the software," he claimed, bemoaning the squandered opportunity for jobs and business. (Yes, Linux fans, we're aware of how distorted this definition is.) He went back to the analogy of pharmaceuticals: "I think if you invent drugs, you should be able to charge for them," he said, adding with a shrug: "That may seem radical." --- or perhaps this gem: --- ( http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/oct/19/jobs-transcript-tablets-ipad-iphone-android ) ""I think it's going to be a challenge for them to create a competitive platform and to convince developers to create apps for yet a third software platform after iOS and Android. With 300,000 apps on Apple's App Store, RIM has a high mountain ahead of them to climb." --- with android phones outnumbering iphones, and android apps running on the playbook, I find his comments absurd. There has to be a myth or two in these quotes. As an extra kick, there is already at least one android market exclusively for open source apps. One myth(truth?) I'd like to see discussed somewhere if I could find it would clear up questions about the ability to protect your rights as an open source developer. It isn't always easy, but it is certainly doable. Consider the 8 year US case on crypto restrictions back in 1995-2003: http://cr.yp.to/export.html That case was a FLOSS win, but how many losses are there? How many wins? Who pays for the efforts in the legal battles? One myth that does bug me is the idea that "open source is the only way to go." Sometimes it just plain isn't the correct choice. I hate to use a closed source solution to a problem, but if it works, it works. Another idea for more myths is to find a friend in germany to chat with. Some time ago, the german government dropped their micosoft software contract, they have achieved what many myths and "experts" claimed is impossible. A complete gutting of their software infrastructure. Perhaps, those claims NOT myths until _after_ germany's government made the leap into FLOSS. I don't know the answer to this. -phil