In the past I have tried when talking to the group to explain why I have trouble getting CLI in my noodle :-)) http://www.ted.com/talks/daniel_tammet_different_ways_of_knowing.html This talk might give a clue and help you all think about how you think, that will I hope lead to better productivity and Satisfaction at work and play. Eric Brackenbury http://www.therecycledteenager.blogspot.com/ "Some people will tell you that slow is good – but I’m here to tell you that fast is better. I’ve always believed this, in spite of the trouble it’s caused me. Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube."~Hunter S. Thompson But K-eep L-ocktite R-eady and stay in the D-irt R-iding Z-one