not trying to monopolize the list bandwidth but it appears i will be in ottawa one more day and i might as well make use of the time, i'll be at woody's on elgin after working hours, so if you want to socialize some more, come on down and we can drink and talk linux. and as a bonus at no extra charge, if you're interested in open source ECM software, you can (at the same time and in the same location) meet the aforementioned nuxeo's cheryl mckinnon, who just yesterday had a piece published here: http://www.fiercecontentmanagement.com/story/it-time-start-thinking-ecm-service/2011-02-01 so, linux or open-source ECM software. take your pick. see you there. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday ========================================================================